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Cattle Council defends plan

08 Feb, 2012 04:27 AM
CATTLE Council of Australia chairman Andrew Ogilvie has taken a swipe at critics of his organisation's planned restructure who have taken to the internet in droves to bag the draft overhaul plan.

CCA released a discussion paper last month calling for industry feedback on options for restructure that would include more directly elected representation from among beef producers and a redirection in funding that would see a proportion of the current $5 transaction levy used to swell CCA's depleted coffers.

Reaction to the plan has been robust.

Here is a sample of what has been said:

  • "Cattle Council is supported by State farming organisations and as a result does not represent the 'on the ground' farmer who has little or no say in the organisation. Cattle Council, MLA etc need to be wound up and the whole industry restructured so producers have a true voice. Last year's experiences and the continued lack of decent livestock prices and returns to farmers means they have failed. Who wants to fund more of the same? Failure, failure, failure. AGforce, SAFF etc have all agreed with legislation that is not in the interests of farmers. They do not represent us either." - Posted by Archibald.

  • "With all of the compulsory levy money that MLA collect from beef producers, why shouldn't the Cattle Council get a good slice of this large amount of money? If the Cattle Council has more say in what is actually going on in the cattle industry, there would be a better chance that we beef producers would not be lumbered with schemes like the impractical, expensive inefficient NLIS." -Posted by Bushfire Blonde.

  • "MLA and CCA need disbanding and we need our industry de-nationalised. The reason CCA wants Government funding is because they have lost the support of the grassroots stock owner and their membership income is in rapid decline. We do not need these amateurs - they do nothing for us; they support the animal rights mob and as a result the general population views us as weak and indecisive. They are a relic of the past and should be consigned there permanently. If the Commonwealth wants to know how we feel have a referendum of stock owners. We want our industry back and we want it now!!!!" - Posted by The Serf.
  • "Well that's it count me out - stuff raising cattle anymore - these mongrels need winding up, move on, get out, push off, shove over, get lost - GET THE BLOODY HINT! All these mongrels want is more $s in their bloody pockets - no bloody way enough is enough!"- Posted by Stuff me!

  • "As a beef producer who has sat around the Cattle Council table and volunteered my time away from my own business, I disagree with most of the comments above. I for one am happy to say I want a well funded and resourced peak council to represent me, and the industry that I have chosen to invest significantly in. It you have differing views, for goodness sake, stop whingeing, get involved, seek election and do something about it. I have to laugh when all the critics need to hide behind screen names and pseudonyms. Come on people at least have the courage to stand behind your comments!" - Posted by Justin MacDonnell.

    Mr Ogilvie, who was overseas on a trade mission to the Middle East with Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig during the height of the online discussion, said he too was disappointed by the tone of most of the input.

    "It's certainly flushed a lot of people out of the woodwork with grudges and axes to grind," he said. "Hopefully we can keep informing them so they no longer make such ill-informed comments.

    "We've put out a very good paper, but unfortunately I don't think they've taken the time to read it and are instead just giving air to the prejudices they've held for a long time."

    Mr Ogilvie said the ill-feeling towards CCA appeared to be captured in a tide of negativity towards beef industry structures in general, such as Meat and Livestock Australia and the State farming organisations, often abbreviated to SFOs.

    "I don't think they understand the amount of work the industry bodies do on behalf of the general producer," he said.

    "We're not asking for more money. All we're asking for is that the current resources that are available be directed towards Cattle Council so we can do our job properly.

  • "Beef producers will pay absolutely no more money than what they are paying now under the options paper we have released. What we would like them to consider is using some of that money to pay for better advocacy from its peak industry group."

    Mr Ogilvie said if the restructure failed the result would be a weakened CCA, hamstrung in its activities due to limited finances.

    "CCA has a budget of $1.3 million. If we're going to increasingly represent producers then we need more money to pay for that service," he said.

    Mr Ogilvie said CCA won't be able to provide the exact figure required to fund their advocacy service until the new structure is decided.

    He said industry consultation on the paper would continue for another "couple of months" with a final paper with a recommendation then presented back to industry.

    A copy of the draft plan can be viewed at www.cattlecouncil.com.au

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    All the negativity is unfortunately from those in the industry who have little idea how the industry works, what the CCA does, and the amount of work done daily looking after the interests of grass roots producers.

    Federal Governemnt make decisions that affect our viability every day, and we have to have someone working on our behalf to put the producers view.

    CCA members are grass roots too - but, State organisations are no longer able to provide all the funds, to take their voice through to the Federal level, so some other avenue has to be found.

    Posted by practical farmer, 8/02/2012 6:03:32 AM
    Mr Ogilvie you can't dodge the fact the CCA is Prescribed as a Commonwealth Civil Servant in the Regulations of the AMLI Act and subject to the direct control of Minister Ludwig at section 69 to the extent that the Minister can direct CCA on … (e) any other matter with respect to which the Parliament has power to make laws under the Constitution. Justin and Sam your operatives, have admitted that your finances are dwindling as a result of plummeting SFO memberships; we exercised our democratic right and withdrew our support, now you want the Government to subsidize CCA; no deal Mr Ogilvie…
    Posted by The Serf, 8/02/2012 6:51:44 AM
    There is much discussion about voting entitlements used for MLA AGM's and the past cattle transaction levy increase from $3.50 to $5.00.

    There are many who believe the voting registers are incorrect and have been for many years.

    If they are incorrect as suspected the Government needs to wipe MLA and CCA completely and introduce democracy.

    There may be little money left for CCA to get their hands on after this.

    Posted by John Michelmore, 8/02/2012 7:08:23 AM
    Mr Ogilvie, we have put arguments to your 2 operatives, they have answered none of them they have the forum and they can’t answer the issues.

    If CCA policies were popular you wouldn’t even be here on this forum. Your assertion that the levee will not increase is blatantly wrong we know that if your proposal is successful an increase to $7.50 will be on the agenda. There has been rapid progress in communications since 1997; look at this debate; we can lobby anyone including Ministers anywhere anytime just by pressing the ‘send’ button and it costs us nothing. CCA has reached its used by date..

    Posted by William Wallace, 8/02/2012 7:13:24 AM
    Mr Olgilvie,

    Respondants on this site have continually referred to the legislation and regulation with detailed comments on the same.

    If you can't respond in the same vain and counter the arguments they raise with references to the legislation they include, it only confirms that their knowledge is better and they are more informed about the "industry" than actual Catlle Council members.

    Posted by Frank the Furious Farmer, 8/02/2012 7:37:56 AM
    Under the MLA ‘Memorandum and Articles of Association’ & more importantly the “MoU”, Cattle Council of Australia (CCA) is the only ‘Authority’ allowed to approach the Minister for a prescriptive increase (or decrease) in the “Cattle Transaction Levy” which amongst other things ‘Funds’ MLA Limited.

    The CCA plan is a plan that would starve MLA of a portion of it funding; what guarantee could CCA give that it (CCA) would not simply advise the Minister to increase the rate of the Levy to keep MLA funding at the current status quo ??

    Posted by PAYG, 8/02/2012 8:03:44 AM
    T he CCA draft paper proves the following;

    1.That the CCA and the SFO are stone deaf.

    2.That they do not understand their own act.

    3.That they are either unwilling or unable to define "beef industry" and that they have no idea where the real power lies.

    4.That they think taking from the weak i. e cattle producers and giving to the strong i.e. the large corporations is the right thing to do.

    Posted by john from tamworth, 8/02/2012 8:16:42 AM
    Mr Ogilvie is having nothing more than a good old fashion whinge about what his (forced) constituents actually think. Welcome to the real world Mr Ogilvie. Me thinks that Mr Ogilvie has been institutionalised for far too long; time to remove the teat perhaps !!
    Posted by Betty, 8/02/2012 8:32:21 AM
    "It's certainly flushed a lot of people out of the woodwork with grudges and axes to grind," he said. "Hopefully we can keep informing them so they no longer make such ill-informed comments.

    WELL THANKS Mr Oglvie- I am one of those ill-informed who has 35 years up running a successful business. I am not looking for compulsory lifelines to keep me afloat like CCA is and by the way unfortunately -there isn't too much that I don't know about this industry.

    Q Please explain how say SWIFT would be entitled to one single VOTE at an MLA -AGM. Good luck!

    Posted by Rob Moore, 8/02/2012 8:58:31 AM
    If we're going to increasingly represent producers”; Mr Ogilvie, your CCA as an organization under its Articles can only Represent “members”; your right to represent “producers” in contained within the Prescription in the AMLI Act as part of the Nationalization at the establishment of the “industry” in 1997 you have no right to represent us as private people and non members, the “industry” is a statutory entity with a statutory meaning at section 3 of the Act. We do not want your representation; CCA has enjoyed protected compulsory “producer” representation for half a lifetime; get real...
    Posted by The Serf, 8/02/2012 9:13:46 AM
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